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Post by Kai on Dec 1, 2011 14:11:52 GMT -5
Right. I see how I'm sick, I help retrain rescue horses, I have a mind that is able to understand both sides of the issue, I own two rescue cats, and I've helped rescue many animals. Yet, you call me sick? and cruel? How is opting for the most humain way of death many equines where never given, cruel?
If, opting for the choice to allow horses to stand in a pasture, with no water, or actual food, or having them in a stall, with manure higher than the fetlocks, is NOT cruel, I'm sorry, I will have no part in that.
Many people in this economy, used to be able to afford horses, but now either believe they can and treat their horses in neglect. I have ridden so many rescue horses, I know their back story, and I can see what they've suffered, and I know that they would rather die than to be neglected and abandoned again.
If, you're so against this 'inhumain' slaughter, go, buy a horse on the way to slaughter, see how well YOU can care for it.
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Post by Kona on Dec 1, 2011 16:11:13 GMT -5
*sigh* Yeah so do I! We've had a horse that was going to the slaughterhouse too, because the people that had her did not have the patience to help her understand that she can trust again! That's why I'm so upset about this! I've also spent money on a broken down cat that most people would think was not worth any time! I put medication in her, I took her to a vet so he can clean the wounds she had, and to remove grubs that was eating away at her flesh! I did it because I cared. Back then I didn't have the money! But I did anyway, I had put that animal in my life, and so I helped her! My father had ponies when he was younger, and his family didn't have much money, but they took care of them, and them ponies were happy and healthy! That's why we must help people, you know. Help them with money to take care of that animal instead of automatically throwing it away! Help them by showing there are other ways, such as rescue places that will take unwanted horses, and find them new homes. Slaughterhouses are an accuse for people to get rid of a large animal that they don't want anymore! You see! That horse does not know why its going there! In there mind is why? What did I do? You see horses are just like us: They feel pain, they have children, they have a soul! And they love! Jesus had said believe in me and I shall provide! I suggests you think about this before you open your mouth again.
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Post by Kai on Dec 1, 2011 16:32:01 GMT -5
Horses are nothing like humans. They do not reason, they simply do as they're trained to do. And I suggest that you, consider the rights of an American before you suggest anything to me. I can say what I think about anything as stated by the First Amendment. If you have such a problem with freedom of speech, tell the government and ask them to take away the bill of rights, and the consitution, and then, we'll all be happily in jail. What you need to do, is actually think about what you're saying, and how absolutely ridiculous you sound.
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Post by thundersrider on Dec 1, 2011 18:20:23 GMT -5
Kona please don't bring religious stuff into this...
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Post by Kona on Dec 1, 2011 20:04:45 GMT -5
I don't sound ridiculous, because I'm speaking is the truth; horses CAN reason because they do have a brain and the will use it, and I didn't say you couldn't. Thundersrider I won't add anymore if you don't wish it. If anyone don't want to hear anymore then don't comment D:
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Post by 321unicorn on Dec 1, 2011 20:56:14 GMT -5
Kona is Right horses can corporate in a way, like the people Sometimes People and horse are tortured souls because of the way they were brought up. HOrses Are Like mirror Image to your soul , and sometimes you may not like what you see in the mirror Have any of you seen the documentary called Buck IF Not you might want to check website out watch the trailer. here the link for it buckthefilm.com/ |
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Post by Kona on Dec 1, 2011 21:51:31 GMT -5
YAY! Someone who understands  Thanks 321unicorn! |
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Post by Rain on Dec 1, 2011 23:12:33 GMT -5
I know you're very passionate about this, and slaughter does need to be stopped to a certain degree, but there's no need to call Keely "sick" and "cruel". Everyone has their own opinions. You shouldn't argue. Really.
I've never had an actual horse of my own, so I don't really know what it feels like to care for one and possibly lose one to slaughter, but I still think they're beautiful creatures. I agree with what Thundersrider said earlier: I think it's okay under certain circumstances, like when they're abandoned, weak, sick, maybe old, but the way they do slaughter them needs to be fixed.
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Post by Stormy on Dec 2, 2011 1:59:02 GMT -5
Okay, Kona, no offense honestly, but my dad is an adult who watches the news, is a Financial Adviser, a wise man, and he himself raises longhorns to butcher, and if he is saying it's a fake and giving me the information on it, he has obviously looked at the situation, and I'm taking it from an ADULT that this is a lie.
Otherwise, those horses are being treated absolutely NO different the cows we eat in America EVERYDAY! They are being treated just as horribly, but do we stop eating them? NO. I saw a video of a cow, a muddy, fat, poor cow, being pushed into a pin my a TRACTOR because it wasn't standing up. They were literally ROLLING the cow on its side while it was mooing in pain. It that's not cruel and abusive, I don't know what is.
Now I would never in my right mind eat a horse, but just because it isn't happening in America doesn't mean it isn't happening in other places. And you know what? There isn't a single freaking thing we can do to stop that. Those countries don't have the same laws and ours does.
Now horses are smart animals, smarter than cows, but I side with Keely, because in my view they can not reason. They would have to see several options and weigh which one will affect who/themselves and therefore pick one. That takes thought. Complicated thought. If horses can think through something like that then they might as well be ruling the world by our side.
My family has had it's number of hurt animals. We had a cat with a broken leg that we made our house cat, even though they had to amputate the leg. We had a dog whom we loved dearly who also broke her leg, and while it was expensive, we saved her as well. Same goes for a calf we once had, and we've had many other animals like that. So if you are suggesting you are the only one who has a heart for those animals, you are poorly mistaken. I have seen those horses, but I have also seen other animals in worse or in the same condition. But we do not save them all; cats, dogs, people even, and even though we try to protect them all, there is no way to rid the world of cruelty, it is not possible, and there will always be others. If you think, Kona, that you are the only one who has had these thoughts about how unjust the world is, you are wrong. There are millions other who think the same thing, and they are trying to help, and even though they are doing great things, there is still more. Because the world is not perfect. We are all flawed.
I ask that you do not bring religion into this. It will only make this worse and I do not like fighting as it is.
This is honestly getting out of hand. I have many opinions on it, but I think we have all overreacted. They are animals. Meat. People eat meat and we can't stop that.
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Post by 321unicorn on Dec 2, 2011 8:47:45 GMT -5
how long exactly does it take kill an animal in slaughter how and how long exactly does it take for an animal to die
death should not be lingering at all for animals in slaughter at all.
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Post by Kona on Dec 2, 2011 10:32:24 GMT -5
*sigh* Again! I understand the both of you are trying to make this an neural situation, but the both of you are failing at a miserable rate! Yeah! Sure everyone has an opinion, but it go only so far! That includes me too! As for the horses that are weak, sick, old, that what euthanizing is for! Again it leads to Slaughterhouses as an accuse to get rid of unwanted animals! There's no accuse for the abandoned horses, you can find them a home! And as for Stormy's comment, Yes! We can do something about it! As American people we CAN say to our government enough! Is enough! As I remember it does say in this countries written documents some where it says "We the People" not "We the American Government". If we work as a country instead of a separate single person, we can say enough!!! I know it won't stop people eating meat, and I never said for it to end! Like any normal person I eat meat too. I know the world is not perfect!! I never said that it was! You have dirt bags out there that are cold hearted, and you have some that have hearts bigger then the world! But eventually that will all change, so I'm not worried about it! That's all I have to say!
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Post by Kona on Dec 2, 2011 10:34:26 GMT -5
how long exactly does it take kill an animal in slaughter how and how long exactly does it take for an animal to die death should not be lingering at all for animals in slaughter at all. I agree! |
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Post by Kai on Dec 2, 2011 11:05:18 GMT -5
Kona, instead of implying that everyone has freedom to believe what they will, you are trying to force your view on to everyone else. If you could see both sides of the coin, and understand, perhaps then you wouldn't be so quick to judge.
Don't you dare try to take any of my freedom's as a human being away, I don't care if it's simply to conform to some view, I won't do it. Do some research before you spout off because someone "doesn't understand", believe me I understand.
I used to be as anti-slaughter as you are now, but studies of history, science, and being around horses, has led me to believe that for many of these horses, there are no second chances, and that slaughter is the best option.
That being said, I used to ride at a stable that went bankrupt, the people who boarded their horses there, moved them to a different stable, many of the students left to ride at a different stable, and know what? That stable did not make enough money to care for all the lesson and breeding horses. And, the economy has hit the Seattle area hard. Very few people are looking for horses, because, in the real world, people put their families first, and then the pets. And so, those horses were for sale, but, the owner of the stable kept loosing money, she had to find a job before going absolutely in debt, with no hope of getting back to a secure checking. And so, she kept the horses for sale, visited them on the weekends, never noticing the rain-rot on their backs, or their thinness. She believed that things would get better, but they got worst.
Several people called the local animal shelter, but they weren't set up for equines, all the equine rescues in Thurston county, were privately owned, and no one had room.
Would you seriously want the equines to continue on this path? Wouldn't it be better to simply slaughter them?
I won't say anything else after this, but please think. Please try to understand where I'm coming from.
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Post by Kona on Dec 2, 2011 12:02:44 GMT -5
O.o *shakes head*
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Post by michael jackson lover 28 on Dec 2, 2011 22:40:57 GMT -5
OKAY!! not to be mean but everyone SHUT UP! okay? not trying to be mean but lets just end this already! this is just getting outrageous!
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Thanks 321unicorn!
